Essentially the first post has to do with how healing nerfs and other factors have created issues with raid composition for 25 man runs. The hangman that’s being brought out would be heroic Naxx’s Instructor Razuvious. In the 10 man version we have access to 2 control crystals so the tanks can use his adds to tank the boss with a rotation (think the 1st boss in BWL type of mind-control) but in heroic there are no crystals so it is mandatory that you bring 2 priests for MC.
The second post is DPS QQ about how hybrids can tank and heal or whatever and then DPS as well as a pure DPS class. It’s a very nasty argument in most cases but the more I think about it rogues and hunters don’t have to deal with people giving them shit for not healing or tanking. It’s a 50/50 folks.
25 Players raids composition and effects of the upcoming Wild Growth / Circle of Healing changes
Seriously though, I recently addressed this in a healer thread. We knew heroic Razuvious was pushing the envelope asking for 2 priests, but we also wanted to explore a little of how much we could push the envelope. One of the nice things about Naxx is you can make progress on other wings while you wait for priests to log on or whatever.
I’d say in general we might make the assumption in a 25-player raid that you have every class available, but not every spec available. We might assume you have a paladin, but not a Prot paladin. We might require you to spellsteal but not deep freeze. In a 10-player raid you should be able to roll with 1-2 tanks and 2-3 healers of any kind. At most you might have unconventional solutions to some fights that benefit more from not having too many melee (KT) or instant hots (Malygos).
We haven’t nerfed Malygos’ Vortex yet because frankly people have beaten him with every combination of healers possible (including 3 Holy paladins). We are prepared to nerf Vortex however if a lot of groups suddenly can’t handle the encounter any longer. Once you get a certain amount of health, which many guilds are starting to acquire, Vortex becomes a lot less deadly. I won’t offer too many more tips because I think it rubbed some players the wrong way when I gave suggestions for Loken, but rest assured, it can totally be done.
[...] I don’t think heroic Raz is anything close to that scale, and in any event, I would not anticipate many encounters like that. We hate to rule them out completely, just because we design a lot of boss fights and frankly the diversity is nice. One of the things that is cool about the encounter is that priests get to tank for one fight — something they never get to do (the MT can just do the control on the 10-player version) and Mind Control, which often doesn’t work in instances, gets to shine. (Source)
Changing classes / specs between encounters
The best guilds in the world already send people to respec between fights or swap out classes between fights. We don’t want this to be the standard way everyone raids, but we don’t think it’s worth implementing a lot of punitive measure to prevent either. So dual-spec won’t affect those guilds much.
So then it comes down to what is most likely *your* guild (unless you are in one of those cutting-edge guilds, in which case I salute you). In your guild are all the players such amazing players that they can always hit the theortetical max dps predicted by spreadsheets and combat dummy tests? If so, then the pure classes should still be on top. If not, then you still don’t have much to worry about. If you are an amazing mage and can out dps the shamans and druids, then you’ll probably get a spot. If you aren’t an amazing mage, but you have good friends in the guild and they like having you along then you’ll probably get a spot.
The groups that might get caught are those that struggle with content and feel like stacking classes is the solution to get them through. But in nearly every case I see this, the group would do far better to just get better gear, talent builds, or learn how to handle the encounters or which buttons to push. The exception are the cutting-edge guilds that ARE struggling with cutting-edge content, but they are going to stack classes per encounter anyway (and 99% of us aren’t in those guilds). (Source)
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